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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby Mr Barguzin » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:29 am

AK

I remember that well, as my puter exploded as I was typing a furious reply to someone.

And as such, the Wombat will not make another post no matter how .. nope,even better. I will be ignoring this topic. I need what little hair on me head I have.

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby Fox » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:53 am

FoxyFurs wrote:Gladly. For the sake of ethos my degree is in mathematical economics. I know where of I speak.

Lets look at free college tuition. The projected enrollment rate for 18-24 year olds in 2020 is 30 million (1). Average in state tuition for state schools is $9410 per year (2). That comes to ~2.83 TRILLION dollars PER YEAR, and that is just for students out of high school and I was being generous with the estimates.. There are two options to pay for it: liquid 17% of the GDP per year or borrow.


For free college tuition: take away the tax-exempt status of every church in America. If that doesn't make up the difference, cut military spending as needed. Done. :8)

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby neoJaguar » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:43 am

Wish my worthless college degree didn't cost as much as it did... :(

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby furlessinCA » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:15 am

WELL SAID FOXY!! Anything I say will be a let down compared to the well-written and cited work of our resident economist! As a college professor, I see students who simply don't belong in college. We, as a society, been told for a couple of generations now that to get ahead, one must go to college. For YEARS my wife and have advocated trade schools and vocational schools. There's absolutely nothing wrong with "turning a wrench" (anyone knows you don't exactly turn a wrench, you turn the nut or the bolt). Anecdotal observations from me: I have one friend who is exactly my age. He was an elevator mechanic. I'm a college professor (full professor...top of the pay scale such as it is). My elevator mechanic friend made TWICE what I make at his base. Add in overtime and he would easily clear $200+ thousand a year. Why not be an elevator mechanic? It's dirty. It's hard. What's the problem with that? I have to remind my Oberlin-educated daughter that she isn't too good to do any sort of work. Anecdote umber two: I have a friend who is a car mechanic. He owns his own business in Main County (one of the wealthier counties in the U.S.). His shop time is $140 per hour. That means for a four hour job, he charges $560 PLUS parts. In addition if he or his tech can get the job finished in two hours, the shop still charges for four hours. In case you think this is unethical, it is SOP for repair shops. The point is: Foxy is right, Americans have abandoned the trades like rats jumping off a sinking ship. It is really pathetic how little the current generation is able to do with their hands.

I also agree that, as much as I applaud Sanders, the numbers simply can't add up (I didn't do the math like Foxy did). I know how much it costs to run a university. The budgets are STAGGERING! Imagine the budget for Stanford or University of Texas or any of the larger universities. He can't deliver what he is "promising". Plus it also makes no sense. Not every kid needs to go to college (see above).

On the other hand, I see no redeeming qualities in Trump. He has no economic plan (that I know of). Foxy do you know of anything? His immigration plan borders on ludicrous, and lastly what kind of foreign policy experience does he have? As distasteful as voting for another Clinton would be, I might just have to do that just to keep Trump out of the White House.

Finally, read the article from the Washington Post below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nl_az_most

The author does an excellent job of outlining what both parties must do. Admittedly the focus is on the Republican party.

I DO hope we can keep this thread going and discourse civil. I think could be enlightening.

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby Foxy » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:09 am

furlessinCA wrote:
On the other hand, I see no redeeming qualities in Trump. He has no economic plan (that I know of). Foxy do you know of anything?


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues/ he has two 30 second clips, one about "jobs" and the other about "the economy" in which he says nothing.


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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby furlessinCA » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:45 am

WOW that's it!!!??? That's PATHETIC! I may move to Canada if he's elected.

Here's an overall observation of the Republican party. I detected this, but was not smart enough to vocalize it. The Republican strategy is, is to attach themselves to emotional issues like abortion and immigration, when their economic policies do not benefit the majority of folks who support them because of the emotional issues.

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby furlessinCA » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:03 am

Another thought on college tuition. Again, unfortunately, not my original thought. A former student of mine who was Army EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) posted a pic on facebook that showed soldiers marching. She said "I remember marching for free tuition." Perhaps all the young people who are marching for "free college" should join the military after which they can use the GI bill. My son is now taking advantage of his five years in the Navy. He marched a LOT. Now his college is paid for. Just a thought.

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby punisherthunder » Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:11 pm

furlessinCA wrote:Another thought on college tuition. Again, unfortunately, not my original thought. A former student of mine who was Army EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) posted a pic on facebook that showed soldiers marching. She said "I remember marching for free tuition." Perhaps all the young people who are marching for "free college" should join the military after which they can use the GI bill. My son is now taking advantage of his five years in the Navy. He marched a LOT. Now his college is paid for. Just a thought.



That reminds of a meme I saw on Facebook the other day. It pictured U.S. soldiers marching up a hill with a caption that read "Here is the path to free college".
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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby furlessinCA » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:00 am

Yeah. My former student posted that. It's good. My son marched a LOT!

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Re: Civil Politics Discussion

Postby punisherthunder » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:20 pm

furlessinCA wrote:Yeah. My former student posted that. It's good. My son marched a LOT!



I thank him for his service =D>



After Super Tuesday, Trump could lock things up. But it looks like Mitt Romney is going to "make a statement". Wonder what the agenda is there?
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