Somebody help me please

[Mr Barguzin]

Ebay..... of course.

 

BD... Nice to see you come ... hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm into the furriers so to speak *grin*

 

I trust that you enjoy your stay within our little community.

[AKcoyote]

Eric,

Blu means the Gallery.

 

 

Blu,

Thanks for the honesty. As long as you are not making anti-fur posts or doing anything else that is a violation of our Code of Conduct, you are welcome here.

[ReFur]

His pictures are in the albums forum

[Lil Dragonfly]

His pictures are in the albums forum

 

Thanks ReFur.

 

Actually, I'm female! I'm a 19-year-old girl.

 

It's funny, on other forums when I first started people there thought I was a guy too!

[ReFur]

blu dragonfly,

 

I do hope you know you are welcome here. In the beginning all women are thought to really be "guys".

 

But, I also want to explain that you have entered our world and stated you came here with "ill intent." . . . And, now you are being very nice and even posting fur pictures.

 

Please give us a little time to get to know you. I hope you can understand our "standoffishness".

 

I encourage to look around. There are lots of fascinating areas in the fur den. Take a look at the pub. SOme great topics, jokes, and personal topics that are not fur related.

 

If there is ever anything I can do to help you, please PM me.

 

Hope this post helps!

 

Linda

[Guest]

Hi blu dargon fly. That is very honest of you.

 

Probably you are not disimilar to several of us here. We are all very much pro animal welfare, pro protection of habitats.

 

Many of us live for animals and wildlife. OFF even designs houses that are eco friendly.

But a true animal lover does not shy from fur. I was brought up for some of my young life by a Cherokee and he taught me so much about nature that it filled me with awe and wonder. I am what is known as an Animist; which means that "God" is in all living things and when you take the life of an animal you must praise it and value it; it must live on with and through you. Nobody does this like a fur wearer. Without animals we are nothing and our soul will die. Fur can keep us connected with who we are and why we need to protect nature.

 

I had some worries about fur and hunting when young though always had a fascination with fur. With animal skulls too. I have a dolphin skull and others. Not tha I killed for those but Y would never leave a skull unattended, and I feel so so sorry about roadkill animals that die for a mere "conveneience" pf mpdern life which people are far to willing to accept. And they lay there unloved, until cars rip their bodies to shreds. That is profoundly disrespectful.

 

Fur is about repect. It is about valuing an animal for its beauty for decades, and its energy keeping you warm . You only have to feel a fur to know I speak the truth. It is full of positive energy, and conserves energy.

wearers of oil products threaten the very planet. And synthetics have no soul; it is a very negative energy.

 

Contrast this with the disgrace of battery farming and burger culture. Nobody who eats that stuff thinks of the animal or our connection with animals and nature. This too saddens me.

 

We can rape the planet for its non renewble resources. We can take the land and exhaust its goodness by intensive arable farming. We can wipe out whole species for out developments and needless produce like palm oil.

 

Or we can conserve them. Share with them. And to do this we must harvest them. As humanely as possible. When they are in competition with us we should kill them with a ritual of respect and a swift end. Not poison them and everything up the food chain with them and pretend it isn't happening. We should and do boycott fur from unethical sources.

 

We as humans are hunters. Farmers of animals. If we do not need them any more, due to some strange urban alienation from nature itself, then they are doomed.

 

Some native peoples have followed the same herds for 20 000 years. They still do. We need to take a leaf out of their book and give animals a chance. I once handled some silver fox cubs on a farm. The maid was very proud of them, as was the mother.They were very tame and had a lovely life while alive there. I went back three years later and two of the litter were still there. Yes two had been taken for fur. Thye were still very tame. One had a very white throat. They wanted to preserve his genes. He will live in his offspring for years. If we ban fur these animals will not be released into the wild. they will be wiped out forever for nothing. that seems insane to me. Same with all domestic animals. PETA want to eradicate all of them It is their stated goal. This terrifies me.

 

So please do not beleive the hype that we are all animlal abusers. Most of us here have this connection with the animals. We know the great sacrifice they made and value them accordingly. To us nothing is more beauriful or valuable. And we are all concerned with conservation here.

 

So I hope this will at least make you think. It may not convince you that it is right for you to wear fur, but I hope you will respect that we ahve thought about these things too.

 

Please stay around and see the strange and wonderful people we are. One thing is you will see we are not the evil people that PETA say we are.

Contrast our open, intelligent,witty and mixed views debates with the vitriole and hate and dogma of PETA's sites where disobedience and questioning is not tolerated.

 

You will get no hate form us. We will not let you disrupt our site with PETA stuff but we have all seen it all, do not worry. We are not dumb people who are not familiar with the arguments.Fur wearers are now informed. That is why for examle Cindy crawford, elle MacPherson and countless others changed sides.

It is why 400 plus designers have used fur thi year and therefore virtually ALL the suoermodels wear it. Many have been sent to fur farms to see the truth first hand. Some on arctic asfar to see native fur production. I know of two famous french designers who have done this with their models.

Contrast again with the two current antis Pam Anderson and Paris Hilton.

 

You are welcome to see who of the supermodels is wearing fur here. There is a thread JUST devoted to just a FEW of the ones that smoke, which numbers over 35, and we haven't even done Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell!

 

However if you have any reservations, or questions, as long as they are phrased politely, we will do our best to answer you and respect your views on a personal level too. We have lots of fun here too and are supportive to each other. We have fetishists, models,photographers, teddy bear collectors and people involved in environmental issues, fur sellers, fashion students and designers, people who love glamour, appreciate image, fashion, and from an incredible range of walks of life. But above all we al apprecitate the beauty of fur. There are no racists or fascists. We are very honest and good people and some of us are a little odd. Our chats may seem peculiar to an outsider but as Linda says, feel free to pop in our den pubbe and chat about anything from music to football to films and politics,to brainteasers to philosophy. Or even just to join a fun thread.

 

Even if we do not change your mind we will at least open it a little to the other side.

 

Welcome blu dragonfly; libelule bienvenue. Fly free and bright here and

we will not swat you of you do not bite us.

 

Ther is a new movemnet afoot. It just begins. It is about protecting the planet and conserving animal habitats through traditional use. Next year it is International Year of the Arctic and the Artcic peoples will speak out against the west for what we are doing to the planet. They will plead with us to embrace their furs and allow them some imcome once more.

 

If you truly are an animal lover you will be wise to join an animal organistaion like the WWF who begin to put the thoery into practice with great success; partcularly with the Pygmy and big game hunting, and sable reserves in Yakutia. If we need animals we protect where they live, and thay become bountiful. It is called Incentive Conservation and it is the best model at producing real results, bringing many animals back from the edge of oblivion.

[Earendil]

Hi blu dragonfly!

 

Welcome! Always cool to see new people, even though they are ARs

 

I'm an avid fur-lover, but I also love animals. I help out the local animal shelter with cleaning etc from time to time actually, but don't tell anyone

 

Hope you'll enjoy your stay and learn about the other side of the coin too. I speak from the heart when I say every single member I know in here is a great person!

 

Act in the manner you wish to be treated and everything will be fine

 

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about our site or other stuff.

[FurLoverinFL]

Hi blu dragonfly! Let me add my welcome too! Like many others, I love animals and work with a golden retriever rescue organization here in Florida.

 

FLinFL

[Guest]

blu dragonfly;

 

Welcome to our obsession and passion. We welcome all who share this love of fur and want to share their thoughts and a part of their life.

 

A few thoughts on what has been said here and another avenue from tochofsable's thoughts.

 

As a species we randomly and so massively pollute and rape the planet we live on I'm in fear that we have gone to beyond the point of no return. We have collectively been such poor stuarts of this planet that the efforts of those involved in the fur trade, particullarly over the past 100 years or so, is a shining beacon of how to in comparison to all the other ventures we have become so dependent on. Especially our addiction to oil.

 

Even the traditional Farmer and their love of the land has been so massively compromised and corrupted as to put masssive areas of farm productive land into terminal jepardy. The rotation of crops and proper stuartship of the land has been corrupted to the ends of corporate greed.

 

The recent BP Alaska pipeline issue is but another example of this same kind of corporate greed and obsession over our addiction to oil. Valdes, Alaska is still massively poluted and will remain so solely because of Corporate greed. Either of those single events makes just about anythng done in any other area of human endeavor pale in comparison to their massive criminal actions.

 

Again the real efforts and work of those involved in the fur trade are very responsible and conscientious, particullarly in comparison.

 

Any of our endeavors should stand on its own feet in terms of its overall worth when looked at in a global context. I have ventured some observations here from time to time over fur as technology.

 

Technology is not just those latest computer and cell phone gadgets or washer/dryer that mimicks an SUV. A rock is technology to man 3 million years ago. Rock in the form of construction Marble is still one of the most marvelous materials and technologies available. A hunk of rock. Ecologically it can stand proudly on its own feet. Compare it to it's "manufactured" competition and there is no real competition. It's primarily oil based as are all plastics and to get it to its final end use the planet has been raped in so many ways as to be uncalculable. I mean an accountand can't really keep track of the real cost from the ground to its use. This is why the "REAL" cost of a barrel of oil is four or five times the current cost. Functionally far superior to its synthetic counterpart whos "real" price is twice or three times the price you pay.

 

The money you pay for the slab of Granite you put on your Kitchen counter top is the real price of that item. Fur is much the same. the price you pay for that fur represents the real cost of that item from whatever its source [retailer, wholesaler, eBay or?].

 

Fur, like other natural materials is generally so far advanceed technologically that our best efforts to mimic them is but a feeble effort at best. Even the most successful, Gortex, is only a marginal technological success. Then there is its "real" price to consider of its oil based origins. Then there is the allergy thing. Our constant exposure to synthetics has the human genetic structure in a total state of confusion. It doesn't know what is real or fake anymore than our children do.

 

Fur, leathers, wool, silk, linen, cotton and any of the other natural clothing materials not only have their "Real" costs to their end uses but they generally solve their use problems technologically so much better than any synthetic. Fur is a technological marvel. In purely practical terms it would have to be reinvented if it didn't already exist. They have tried but ALL the efforts from Gortex to synthetic fur have been technological failures and oddties when compare to the real thing.

 

Synthetic Stucco has been a multi Billion dollar disaster and ruined many people's health from the mold and mildew it has produced. All because some nitwit wanted an oil based alternative to Cement Stucco, a three thousand year old technological marvel. Now it's very difficult to do real stucco because it's been painted with the same "Disaster" brush as EPHIS, the synthetic shit.

 

Not quite a parallel but I find it curious that the fur flack has been at the same time as the development of its synthetic make-believe oil based counterpart. How much does a fake fur "really" cost??

 

The rantings of PeTA go against the real course of nature and go to support a world full of gas guzzling SUV's and oil based products that ultimately will destroy our species. Now who's ultimately inhumane

 

OFF

[Guest]

Well said OFF; very well put.

 

It is true indeed that it is more than a bit of coincidence that a peculiar philosophy of animal rights should grow up, pushed by the media and yet never before in thousands of years of history has it ever been thought of before, at the same time as a massive multi global company attempt to market synthetics to us. Call me cycnical but I believe them connected.

[introalfa]

Wow, it's growing up!!! Well, I just needed some words to help me, but a lot of members (a lot of friends ) wrote a lot of interesting things and stuff. I'm very happy about it, thanks again. I'll keep on reading the posts here, I need time to translate them and understand what all you mean. Thank you people!!!

[Guest]

Oh and Introalfa;

don't forget that Argentina once had a booming fur trade.

There were native peoples hunting hutria, which were eaten and pelts sold. Then there was faming of nutria too. Then the chinchilla was an Argentina animal. Of course the farming was cattle too. This traditional land use kept habitat perfect for jaguar and other animals. Now they are all gone and in their place is gm soya which has destroyed vast areas of hanitat.

[Guest]

welcome blu dragonfly.

 

touch... your words speak volumes by themselves, and i dare not add to them. your wish to inspire is impressive, and, for me at least, effective. viva la revolution!

 

just be open, blu dragonfly, to new ideas as life is always there to teach us something. thank you for coming out... honestly i heard it in your posts from the get-go, but that is just me listening to the thoughts behind the words. i'm like that. best wishes to you.

[Worker 11811]

...honestly i heard it in your posts from the get-go, but that is just me listening to the thoughts behind the words. i'm like that. ...

 

Where did you get "the gift", Miss T?

 

I got it when I was a kid, growing up. I lived in an unusual setting for a kid to grow up in. For me, it was a survival skill.

 

To this day, I am still plagued by those old habits.

[Guest]

Worker - most of the women in my family, my Dad can do it too, are quite in touch and gifted in that realm. I've developed the skill over the years, as it was quite useful in sessions, to say the least. I learned to listen to all that energy best when I was living in Colorado, in a tiny cabin with my dog and the guy (crazy, insane in a bad way, guy!) I was with at the time; I'd have many days to myself that were most peaceful and it was easy to tune in out there. How I miss the air up there, about a mile and a half higher than valley-laden Dayton! Anyhow, now I find that the ability to listen to and project thoughts is ultra-useful specifically when I am shooting some of these new models who have never been in front of the camera... I'll think about where I'd like them to move, then start to say, "Something like..." and I don't even finish the sentence as I've projected the thought well enough to do the "old Jedi mind trick" on them. I usually laugh and say, "Good, you heard me." Gotta like that, at least it amuses me! The model gives me an odd look, as they don't know what I'm talking about. Ha! 8)

[Lil Dragonfly]

I just stumbled into this thread now (3 years later)...

 

Now I am a hardcore fur fanatic.

 

Many thanks to everyone who participated in this thread. Had it not been for you all I would never have discovered my love for furs!

[Guest]

I believe the animals are killed as quickly as possible but in the end there destiny is to be made into a beautiful fur. (especially if they are raised on a fur farm) These animals would probably never be born otherwise. I will never agree with unnecessary suffering or the killing of endangered animals, we should take care of our planet so all can thrive, man and beast alike. With that said I have no problem with plentiful animals (Raccoons, Nutria, Coyote, ect.) ending up as a fur coat.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Guest

[White Fox]

Tom and Lil Dragon:

 

I always remember a line in an old film with John Wayne in it called Donovan's Reef. The line was said by a young native princess who was looking out over a canyon thanking the Gods for their Christmas Tree that they had just cut. She was asked if she believed in those Gods of the Canyon. The reply went something like this.

 

I believe in one God like you and everyone, but I respect the traditions of my people.

 

I think that the way most of us here look at animals is much like that. We very much respect the animals we live with. The pets for their place in our world. The bobcat. The rattle snake. The racoon. And the dolphin. In the same way, the cow. The sheep. The pig. And the chicken.

 

We respect them for their place in our life, and we like to try at least to make their place in life as nice as possible. While at the same time knowing how that life must end. BUT, we also know how that life would be lived if they were in the wild. In the wild they would most likely be hunted down in a fearful battle between beasts ending with their being eaten, possibly while still alive and kicking. After living a life where every bit of their energy was spent hunting food for they, their mate, and their family.

 

I indeed think that TouchofSable made a great contribution to our site in that one message.

 

To me, no matter how far off subject it seems. It goes right to the point exactly!

 

I believe in one God like you and everyone, but I respect the traditions of my people.

 

We believe in trying to respect animals and give them the life they deserve, while knowing how that life will end.

 

W