Sorry to destroy your fantasies but......

[Guest]

It has come to our attention that one or two people here may actually be aroused by the fact that women who wear fur delight in suffering of animals.

 

Now there could be a couple of reasons for this. One could be that they just love the idea of Cruella de ville type women, and that fantasy there is nothing wrong with...as long as you realise it is just that, even if sometimes played up to by a woman. It is fantasy.

 

The second reason is a worry. Sometimes in foxhunting forums...well regularly actually... a member will join, and post some reaonable posts to start with, then change. Start saying things like "I love to see the fox ripped apart don't you?" Well we know this is automatically a liar because only the Huntsman or the terrier staff see that usually. If it happens in the open there is a degree of respect and sobriety about it. it is NOT something that is enjoyed, except at the level that you may love to see a cheetah work hard to bring down a gazelle, or an eagle take a rabbit. NOBODY involved in hunting takes sadistic pleasure from the quarry's death.

 

LIKEWISE, every fur farm I have ever visited takes great pride in how the animals are cared for. Where animals ar actually culled by farm staff, again there is a degree of respet and sobriety. I believe that the specialists who come from outside to do the job handle it equally well so as not to upset the maids and lads.

 

Fur farm workers treat their animals like racehorses grooming and they are tame. The animals love their handlers.

It is not unlike a farmer bringing up his lambs, taking pride and loving them. CARE and welfare is their job.

 

Similarly trappers and native people wave a deep respect for the animals they kill, and cruelty is something that does not happen.

 

So if you get off on cruelty, I suggest that the den is not the place for you.

Maybe you should join PETA as they are the ones who seem to revel in animal cruelty to the extent where it has been suggested they even stage things. certainly after years of spying, they have come up with zilch from western fur farms except for dust on chinchilla farms (its actually volcanic ash which the chinchilla need to bathe as water makes them mouldy) and

pics of animals in carrying cages which are clearly not their beds but peple are stupid. twenty years and nothing. So all the stuff you see? Animals mistreated and skinned alive?Dodgy.very very dodgy.

 

So yes. Enjoy the idea of cruel women if you like, But remember that cruelty to animals in the fur trade is a complete PETA myth.

 

You cannot produce quality pelts through bad welfare practice, or cruelty.

 

And people who wear fur generally love the beauty of the animals; a sign of respect and not contempt towards those that were reard/trapped for it.

 

If you want to see cruelty and want to wear something that symbolises that try a trip to a battery chicken farm and try wearing scabby chicken skin with a few poor feathers left.

[Guest]

Just to show you that women who wear fur are not heartless and cruel, here is Saba Douglas hamilton the conservationist from Big Cat diary in fox fur hat:

 

http://douglas-hamilton.com/Coppermine/cpg132/thumbnails.php?album=7

 

 

 

 

Edited by wallee to fix the link.

[lynxette]

I totally agree with you Touch of Sable, although I think I may have an idea where some of the fur fettish may come from in this regard. Is it possible that it relates to the dominatrix end of the spectrum as it may relate to furs? I know that I have asked questions regarding this very subject in other threads, primarily relating to pics of women in furs whilst the men are naked and freezing, etc. Mind you, I am only proposing this as a theory behind what is stated above, and in no way am I judging the behaviour one way or the other...although I am tto much into soft vulnerability to be into it personally.

[Guest]

yes Lynxette correct. And that is okay; I don't mind women being cruel to men and having fun with it. But I don't think any woman actualy gets off on the idea that the animlas are cruelly treated. in any case; they aren't

[lynxette]

Certainly not this woman in any case, and hopefully a minority of others...if any

[Guest]

hi all

 

i had a moment and saw this thread and had to throw in two cents. i have been asked many times to "play" cruella deville and an important part of the fantasy is my delight in the creature's suffering and death for my vanity. this is something that is not entirely part of the dominant/submissive world, but very directly related to that disney cartoon and its impact on early childhood development. think about how young we all were when we saw cruella the first time... five, six or something like that right? that is precisely when we develop our IDs and sense of self, when we start to develop our sexuality based on external examples. i am not saying our sexual development is totally based upon external influences, as i think we are born predisposed to be one way or another. this is just touching the tip of the iceberg of the fascination with cruella, but it is not a solitary person here or there, not in my experience anyhow.

 

by the way, when i had to play cruella, it was a play and not how i feel at all. i am with touch in that i have great respect and love for the animals and do not delight in their end.

 

theresa

[lynxette]

Speaking of Cruella de Ville, I was in a store not long ago, and a little boy asked his mummy if I was she. The poor kid got cuffed on the back of the head for his innocent question, and the mum apologised profusely, which I smiled and said was not necessary...so long as he did not think I actually looked like Cruella. He said, no, and that was that.

There just are not that many people out and about in furs these days...although it is growing again, and another common question I hear behind me often is "mummy, what is she wearing?" It is unfortunate that children do not even realise what they are looking at, a situation that I hope will change and the sooner the better. BTW, I was wearing coyote f/l on the day in question.

[Guest]

lynxette, i would love to run across you in the street or a shop... i am sure you turn many heads.

 

i have heard the cruella thing, and it is for the big fur coats alone and that association in the young mind. funny isn't it?

[Guest]

yes there is nothing wrong with the fantasy. Cruella was portrayed for here evil vanity, and dominance. She had a profound effect on many of us;indeedshe is a cultural icon.

BUT it is fantasy. What is special is that portaray something as evil and it becomes attractive. I felt just as aroused by the bad queen in Snow White.

I can remember a friend at college had a girl back one night and I heard them playing out the mirror mirror on the wall fantasy.

 

BUT let us also be honest tghat this impression of a woman is not real. NO woman gets off on cruelty to the animals as such. We could liken it to the "girls with guns" fetish for example. You may like a girl pointing the gun at you but you dont want her to pull the trigger. Or the vampire fetish. Many of us, male and female like that but we dont want our throaats rripped out.

[lynxette]

Thank you for the compliment Miss Theresa...not sure that I deserve it though.

What I do find disturbing is that my generation and younger so often sees images of furs on people in film and on telly as bad or at best neutral figures. This does not of course help the crusade against the PETAphiles, or just the wearing of furs generally as did images up till the 1970's I think.

[Guest]

yes that is a problem with the cruella fantasy.

 

However the image of Saba Douglas hamilton in a blue fox hat should make the PETAphiles think again.

[nickiw36]

I don't think its really fair to criticise one persons' sexual fantasy versus another.

 

If some individuals get off on that as part of their private 'play' / chat then if you don't like it then you just say 'no thanks' and walk away

- its not breaking any laws

 

I completely agree with you that the REAL treatment of animals for fur is a concern and that we all believe fur is farmed to the same humane standards as other animals bred for food etc - I would not support it any other way.

 

However, I do think there is a big difference about what you speak up for in the real world and what individuals' private fantasies are - it doesnt mean people want to enact them

[Guest]

Of course nikki I have said that. The same idea would apply to sado masochism .....you just don't want it acted out in reality like the movie "Hostel". Also I think we in particular must always more than anyone be clear that our fantasy does not extend to killing dalmatians for their fur! Actually, I even knew two people who leaned toward animal rights who played that one out in faux so as long as it doesnt cross the boundary. We arent in the sate of thought crime yet much as mr Blair and the US Christian fundamentalists or the taleban would like it to be!

 

Welcome by the way!