THE LIE OF THE LAND

[Guest]

This is a programme that may be well worth watching for us in the UK.

 

Takes a Canadian chick Molly Dineen to come here and see what has been obvious to me for 10 years but people won't have it.

 

The UK Labour government are working hand in hand with supermarkets and corporations to crush the British farmer.

 

I have numerous emails from labour politicians admitting that is their plan; they are proud of it.

It works like this:

Production of meat and crops in the UK depends on excellent animal welfare and land management as practised by traditional practices. That makes food produced here expensive. Supermarkets don't like that. Labour doesn't like so much land being devoted to animals; especially as they see the landowner with the politik of envy.

The outcome? 10 years of policy designed to crush farmers, subsidise supermarkets and urban consumers, and proced with a vision of the third world feeding us; and land "liberated" for development.

This all compromises animal welfare and destroys habitats...it is mainly large corporations pushing intensive and plantation agricuture, and massive battery farms etc.

 

They couldn't just crush the farmer by obvious confrontation; it has been a war of attrition. Make it dfficult and do it under the veil of animal welfare and environmental health law. Banning hunting, banning animal burial, making transport difficult, compulsory purchase orders on land, witholding EEC subsidies to farmers etc ect are all part of it.

 

And now the whole way of life in the countryside teeters on collapse, and sadly farmers are forced to destroy healthy animals, and are forced into bankruptcy. Meanwhile the outcome of the crap masquerading as food the supermarkets and government push for increase CO2 emissions, have brought us pestilence like foot and mouth and Avian flu, and have destroyed vast wildlife habitats here and abroad.

 

If you are in the UK watch this programme Channel 4 9pm.

 

Because if we don't do something NOW to stem this evil tide, our green and pleasant land will disappear forever.

 

The modern world of global corporations and socialism/liberalism is in a range war against animal dependant economies. See AR activities in this framwork and you can see why they are encouraged and supported by the left and the corporations. It is what groups like the Tides foundation (www.activistcash.com) ae set up for.

The British farmer, the Inuit sealhuntr, the fur producer all face the same enemy; and its a lot more insidious than anyone can imagine; it is the wish of those who control the direction of western society.

 

 

Everyone has to decide if they want to run with this vision or oppose it.

Run with it and you will contribute to pestilence and destruction of nature, and a world where we will eventually be eating solyent green.

Food production and land management should NEVER be in the hands of market forces and ideology of those who do not understand it. The AR and much of the eco movement is a thinly veiled attempt by the West to justify this new world vision.

[auzmink]

Interesting topic TOS, but perhaps a backlash is already to hand.

 

Certainly here in Notts, Farms selling directly to customers (Farm shops) are on the increase and are very popular. Shows people want quality produce produced locally from a farm they can see.

 

Tesco is almost a swearword amongst main people who avoid the place (I do) with practices that are questionable for all sorts of reasons.

 

If global warming is an issue, someone somewhere is going to have to figure out how you can feed 55 million people with dwindling natural resources - possible anarchy down the track!! Not unrealistic as some journalists are suggestic contingency planning is under way for such an issue....

 

Will try and watch....

 

Auzmink

[White Fox]

It is pretty unbelievable just how true that this all is. In part it comes from a subsidy issue. Europe has small farms so they must have subsidies for those tiny farms so they can compete with the huge conglomerates. Then, US and others say they must have subsidies to compete and that adds to the issue. So suddenly there is a big war on. And the hardest part is that really everyone has a correct point. But this all just allows the big huge corporations to move in it all starts to roll. Suddenly governments say that a farm of less than maybe 800 hectares is no longer feasible to give a subsidy to and instantly all small farms are in huge trouble.

 

There are almost no young folk coming on to run the farms. The huge megas are buying up the land and it is gradually all going into the control of huge corporations. And..... no one in the city cares as all they want is cheap food. I have heard city folk say that since they do not want the spraying done here for instance that if we need to do that we should quit farming and they will buy the food from the store. The stupid people do not realize that the food they then get is from places like Mexico where the crops are often sprayed with very high power pesticides sometimes as much as once per day! Here it is possibly sprayed once or twice in the crop's life time with very low powered chemicals.

 

But it is cheap. And that is all folks today care about when it gets down to it.

 

Sad.

W

[Guest]

We reap what we sow.

 

The thing is it is the consumer being subsidised. Through exploitative practices and cheap labour and animal welfare being compromised in the third world. That is the reason supermarket food is cheap.

If the real price was paid by the consumer and supermarket and global food producer alike, there would be no need for subsidy.

 

Yet there is this ridiculous assertion that it is the farmer who is being subsidised.

 

A chicken or a sunday joint should be around

[Guest]

Now do you believe me when I tell you what's what? You don't think everyone in the countryside is seething for nothing do you?

One day this government will pay for its crimes.

[sta]

I totally agree with what you say,,, however

 

"I have numerous emails from labour politicians admitting that is their plan; they are proud of it.

It works like this:

Production of meat and crops in the UK depends on excellent animal welfare and land management as practised by traditional practices. That makes food produced here expensive. Supermarkets don't like that. Labour doesn't like so much land being devoted to animals; especially as they see the landowner with the politik of envy.

The outcome? 10 years of policy designed to crush farmers, subsidise supermarkets and urban consumers, and proced with a vision of the third world feeding us; and land "liberated" for development."

 

That is complete and utter b**locks! If any politician had sent any such emails then there would be a national scandal. I know know you're a rampant and often raving Telegraph Tory Boy but at least try and keep some truths in! Perhaps you could prove me wrong and post said emails. If so I will eat my words and apologise.

[Guest]

I have those emails; if I knew you better I would forward them. I am happy to do it via a third party.

Several, including Paul Flynn and many northern mps had such policy outlined on their websites in terrifying naivety and ideological bigotry. They talk of "revenge for the miners strike" like it was the farmers fault. Their vision is terrifying, with the countryside just being an area for urban leisure ; like a giant "centreparcs" one mp put it.

Here is that vision; the one that has caused all the animal welfare problems, hardship and anger in the countryside, and for Britain to be split down the middle politically. Tories are even taking councils in the East Ridings leicestershire lincolnshire and Wales . They almost took Bridgend last night; unheard of. It isn't just hunting; that as a tradition has become the focus of resistance. It is this vision and the policy created by it:

http://www.ruralcommunities.gov.uk/files/CA138-StateOfTheCountryside2020.pdf

 

It is all there...the "colonisation" of the countryside through development, the reliance of globalisation to supply food, and EVEN the threat of destabilisation of oils upply that could threaten this development.

 

This is the Labour New World Order.

 

 

 

 

DEFRA used to be the Ministry of Agriculture now it is the Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs. Its whole brief and policy makes little mention of food as the programme clearly demonstrates; and their are hundreds of new restrictive laws; and th subsidies providd by the EEC are witheld. This did NOT happen by accident but by ideology.

There has been no press scandal despite me forwarding those emails (where the gloves are a little more "off") to press.

 

And you persist in your assertion that I am a Tory. I am not; it should be clear that I am a Libertarian. I would vote Labour under Kate Hoey, Lib dem under Lembit Opik and Plaid Cymru where their candidates are pro hunting and anti smoking ban. I would NEVER vote for the likes of Anne Widdecombe, and I have campaigned avidly against her AR stance for example.

I have NO party allegiance and my political views are actually anti government altogether.

[Guest]

One more thing that came out in this programme; whiich I already knew but the vast majority of people conveniently ignore.

Realting it to the farming of furbearers, it is particularly apt. ALL furbearers are correctly weaned. The only farmed animal, even horses, who are correctly weaned. The mother is with her young until she is ready to make them go their own way. Natural. Fair.

 

And now, in the dairy industry, we have pushed farmers to do the unthinkable. And why? For milk? No; not for milk....for CHEAP milk.

 

And the deaths of all those calves ...completely uneccessary and governed by throwing struggling farmers to market forces, supermarket power, and socialist ideology(as expressed in the above link) are for people to have cheap milk.

THAT disgusts me.

 

Every milk drinker who buys from supermarkets takes part in that disgusting waste of life and farmer poverty.

 

When you drink milk remember you are drinking what belongs to a calf.

And that would be fine if the price of the milk gave the poor calf some decent care. But it doesn't; so the calves under Blair's government have to be killed and fed to the hounds.

 

They will pay for this hypocrisy one day. And they will pay dearly.