altering history: Punk. This is a NO HIPPY ZONE

[Guest]

Are you still watching this crap furelli? great Pistols footage but the journalists are talking bollox and though I respected the Ramones and Patti Smith I was at the 100 club where Rotten slagged them all off and called them hippies. In fact...I was on the telly! Guess what I had on

 

They are trying to sell this show to the yanks obviously so are massively exagerating their contribution and hardly mentoning the more obvious....even American...influences (like the NY Dolls).

 

 

This was about one thing and only one thing. It was a revolt against mass conformity. Liberty; freedom of expression in a world where we were being told to conform to a set of values imposed on us by a bankrupt socialist administrtaion and cheap packaged consumerism in everything: even morality.

 

Yes; you are right furelli; its just as relevant now.

 

Okay another 15 minutes of the Ramones over going back to watch.

Edited June 4, 2007 by Guest

[Guest]

yep we just witnessed the bourgeoisation of punk and its "rebranding" for a generation of people who had nothing to do with it because they were too young or too petit bourgeois. How can they do a programme about punk without mentioning the Bromley contingent, Generation X, The Jam and bands like the Adverts The Vibrators and Sham 69 ; but spend ages on The Ramones and Patti Smith??????

 

What did you think furelli and other Brits here?

 

What happened to furpunk anyway....anyone heared from him at all?

[sta]

Funnily enough, if you're talking about the 7 ages of rock thing on the BBC I turned off after about 20 mins, the Hendrix one and the Pscyhadelia one were good, but the punk one was bollocks. It was about rebellion, doing it yourself , having a good time and not conforming to the bullshit. Not all this high brow arty farty deep rooted nonsense that these so called critics go on about. Those were the kind of people the punks were rebelling against. Hopefully next week's will be more interesting.

[Guest]

Exactly Sta !!!!!! We are in full agreement for once!

[Guest]

Far better if they'd cut the NY angle & the art school posers & covered the Oi bands like Blitz, Discharge, GBH, Exploited,Anti-nowhere league & even Crass that took it back to the grass roots level..... never did buy into the sentiment that Punk started in NY via the likes of Patti Smith (iggy Pop maybe?), it started over here with from likes of Mc Laren & Pistols, then bands like the Clash, Damned, Stranglers, Buzzcocks & even the early Jam followed. American angle started much later via the West Coast with the likes of Jello Biafra & Henry Rollins fronting Dead Kennedy's & Black Flag, two glaring ommissions for me.....! so as for the program, you gotta figure that the majority of the leading players weren't interested in appearing on such a show....? OR it was only going to be about the transformation from the aging hippies into the pistols.... which is all we really saw.... Good n bad for me

 

C+ Could do better... IT deserved BETTER

[Guest]

Into the valley of the dolls,

Into the valley of the dolls,

Into the valley of the dolls

 

Went the gang of four

 

Song number one and the rhythm up amping

Drummer beats down 4/4 rock ranking

A bass so deep thud, thud spines shaking

And all around mad eyes are rolling

 

In the Valley of the dolls

Made up and stunning

In the Valley of the dolls

As the feet get moving

In the Valley of the dolls

As the pressure rising

In the Valley of the dolls

White faces staring

As into the valley of the dolls

go the gang of four

 

Song after song rockettes up rocking

One hundred watts scream man

My ears are bleedin'

Hot bodies charged

blonde locks a' givin'

And all around

young girls are fainting

In the Valley of the dolls

Their hearts a pumpin'

In the Valley of the dolls

As the spikes are dancing

In the Valley of the dolls

Skank girls shanking

In the Valley of the dolls

I saw love vibrating

As into the valley of the dolls

go the gallant four

 

Into the valley of the dolls,

Into the valley of the dolls

As into the valley of the dolls

 

In the Valley of the dolls

4 skulls are splitting

In the Valley of the dolls

5 fingers are clicking

In the Valley of the dolls

6 strings are burning

In the Valley of the dolls

7th hour approaching

In the Valley of the dolls

8 legs are stomping

In the Valley of the dolls

9 lives are groovin'

In the Valley of the dolls

10 thousand coasting

In the Valley of the dolls

X generating

As into the valley of the dolls,

Into the valley of the dolls,

Into the valley,

Into the valley of the dolls

 

 

NAME THAT BAND FURELLI !!! Not mentioned in the programme but they ALWAYS had the best punk chick following; you know; the punkettes in nice furs; all their moms 40s beaver lambs ; blue foxes; bright green and red coneys, pink dyed fox and sixties boots and big spiky hair, amazing make up beauty spots and corsets and ripped fishnets and leather opera gloves ; ah what a time.

 

As for some of the oi bands and stuff I was into Disharge, the Vice Squad (knew Becky Bondage) and The Angelic Upstarts for a while; also Sham 69. Then the Dickies and the Kennedys obviously. As for Crass. I met them once. They had a house and they made my mate dig potatoes all day before they would let him eat...anarhcist collective? More like a cult .

They said my mohican was too peacock like. I told them they were a bunch of smelly hippies.

 

The early Jam were as punk as it got IMHO. This is the Modern World" said it all:

 

This is a modern world - this is the modern world

What kind of a fool do you think I am?

You think I know nothing of the modern world

All my life has been the same

Ive learned to live by hate and pain

Its my inspiration drive -

Ive learned more than youll ever know

Even at school I felt quite sure

That one day I would be on top

And Id look down upon the map

The teachers who said Id be nothing -

This is the modern world that Ive learnt about

This is the modern world, we dont need no one

To tell us whats right or wrong -

Say what you like cause I dont care

I know where I am and going too

Its somewhere I wont preview

Dont have to explain myself to you

I dont give two fucks about your review

[Guest]

Gen X & the alike were ok but the punkettes yer described sound like the ilk that made punk "popular" & took it away from grass roots level, have to say I was more of the bootboy variety in me Yoof bands like the UK Subs, The Fall, The Ruts, slaughter & the Dogs & the Oi bands were more to my level!

 

& YES Crass were jus that, my mate loved 'em though so i got dragged along to see them once...... worst gig ever imo & i seen a few!!! but it would be remiss not to mention them when yer talk about the punk movement, they were to the far left but still had a huge following! allbeit mostly of the great unwashed!

[Guest]

Nah those girls were 1977 furelli; I mean the likes of Siouxsie and the chicks out of The Photos and The Doll .

It was the oi stuff that saw bondage trousers on sale in woolwroths!

 

Having said that ...the UK Subs were and remain brilliant; and were much earlier. I saw them lat year and talked to Charlie Harper. He is a keen fisherman so has little sympathy with AR. 60 odd now!

 

Also do you remeber from the Oi movement The Violators?

I had the single and on the front the chick is in a full length fur coat with the guys in Droog outfits.

[Guest]

Charlie harper! great fellah, we watched the Subs a coupla years back in a small club & had a chinwag with them after in the bar, me mate was trying to get him to come to a party & offered him some of his namesake, he jus laughed & said that was for rockstars, he was jus an ol git who was fecked & needed his sleep!!

 

As for the OI band comment, not 'avin that........ through 78 everybody tried jumping onto the punk bandwagon & it became evrything it opposed as they all tried cashing in on it, the oi bands were yer skinhead/boot boys which sprang up through the early 80's after all the poshknobs had migrated to become New romantics. punks used to get singled out at Oi gigs where the skins would control the centre, woebetide anyone who ventured into their patch...... not a lot of love between the 2 groups as i recollect, mind it was more a class thing at that stage.

 

Violators, only have a 45 by them "Life on the red line" plain black sleeve so no fur pics, got any?

[Guest]

Nah I lost it in a messy relationship with an Irish gal! Great bob and fur though....looked like Trixie. She kept all me records including the complete works of Killing Joke. Fidelma.

 

The Violators chick def had a gorgous f/l real fur though; and crimped black hair, on the front of the single. Yes it was the tracks one and they were on a railway line in snow.

 

The Oi experince was a bit dif for me in Bristol. Barton Hill boot boys wre me mates; I was a mod by then....though not yer ticket type...I had a psychadelic scooter; and there was this gorgeous chick called Marianne who wore furs and a little mini skirt and thigh boots..........anyway; mods skins punks and new romantics stuck together; black and white. The racist thing was media invented lie; I can even remember one black lad Richard with bleached blonde hair and a black tutu and he ws the coolest guy there.

Before that I went out with this bird for ages called Sarah who had a great collection of furs and she even wore leopardskin leggings, thigh boots and a real 40s ocelot coat. We split up and I went on a charlie fuelled whoring rampage for ages before getting stuck with a bird for ten years who wore fur for the first few only. Then she got funny about it so eventually I had to dump her.

 

There were three furbabes from that time I didn't have though and wish I had. One went out with me mate Andy; so I couldn't touch her but she was AWSOME. She was a New Romantic from Nailsea; Debs. She looked amazing. Always in fur. Veterinary nurse. Immaculate. HAd a PAula Yaes white quiff. But she was as working class as they come; great fun. mates girl though; can't can ya? Then there were these two bids who used to hang out at the hweatsheaf pub in central bristol. They were part dolly bird part new romantic part high fashion. One went to be a model and moved to Jersey. They had so many furs between them you got a different on every time they went out. I rememeber walking up Park st. with one snuggled into her fur under an umbrella. Wow. Would have been 1979.

 

But the best years were 1977 in London. The Kings Road was fur city. I can remember teds and punks fighting and I would be sat in the pub or a pink cadillac with leopard seats with all these rockabilly chicks in mink 50s jackets and brightly coloured gloves and petticoat skirts , or hanging round Siouxsie and her mates at the Worlds End....I didn't get involved in scrapping .They all had furs then in winter. They must remember; and must pine for it secretly. Siouxsie even did that fur shoot in NY I think it was. I think one of the pics may be in the gallery.

 

 

 

But we didn't like hippies much masquerading as punks and I still don't lol!

Yep I probably got too much of the Sham army in me to have any truck with pretensiousness. Trouble is I just have this problem with authority too lol!

[alphonso]

Just thought I'd mention them seeing as they're friends of mine. I think they define themselves as anarchy rock. Anyway I can confirm that they are trendy sandle wearing, museli eating wet liberals who have taken advantage of the resurgence of interest in punk and are doing very nicely out of it. And why not?

 

As I understand it the Ramones, Patti Smith, Blondie et.c. were first reviewed playing at CBGBs by a 'village' magazine entitled 'Punk' and that is how the genre got its name.

 

Not really into punk myself - it's soo middle class.

 

I do remember Neil Young on top of the pops wearing fur - and a mohican and also what about Ashley Slater of Freak Power in that full length canary yellow fox - what a guy.