Dog fur

[abarth]

What you think about husky/dog furs????I love husky and german sheperd fur....but in italy is illegal buy a dog furs....

[Worker 11811]

You've got to be REALLY careful when you talk about dog fur.

 

I understand how you think about it... It's just another kind of fur to enjoy.

But the problem is that you've got to understand that most people think you're talking about skinning their PETS!

 

You will get a VERY strong negative reaction when you start talking about and cat fur.

 

In some cultures, dog fur is perfectly acceptable but NOT in Western Anglo/European culture.

 

Touchofsable would probably be the resident expert in this area.

[Guest]

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Edited June 18, 2009 by Guest

[Guest]

Dogs have never been farmed for fur in the west and only ever accepted as native produce. Yes absolutely re your Sears catalogue, prior to the 1920s .....95% of fur WAS native produce.

A dog is not a furbearer animal in western culture; so it is not acceptable UNLESS it has come from a native culture. BUT remember that a husky...or a horse...to a Yakut is far more important as a friend and only when the dog/horse is injured and would otherwise die are they used for fur ...and eaten. What happens in s.e asia is not our business...but remember they eat them and that is the primary produce.

 

Is dog fur acceptable in other cultures? Who am I to say? Is it acceptable if the fur has come from within our own culture or an economy modelled on ours? Absolutely not....or you will have people rounding up dogs and skinning them. Dogs in the west are owned and as friends in our culture it is unaceptable; legally so. We do not farm dogs for their fur and therefore an Italian alsatian fur could be someones pet...see the problem? By the same token female circumcision is acceptable among African tribes but not in the west. If you were to buy a fur from the Inuit that was husky then it would be accptable to me....but clearly not to the Laws of many european nations. And its them that count not me.

 

And yes I have expertise in this area.

Edited June 14, 2007 by Guest

[JGalanos]

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Edited June 30, 2007 by Guest

[Guest]

Yes galanos but remember that a tanuki is no more a dog than a fox is.

The AR lot try to fool people with the fact that we call it a "Raccoon dog". Its a bit like calling a monkey a human; but people believe it because they are not educated .

[JGalanos]

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Edited June 30, 2007 by Guest

[Guest]

I wasn't getting at you...just saying that its a trick the antis like to use so people think tanuki is a dog.

I don't know much about fur actually I just know about animals. Its my job.

[Worker 11811]

(Where's an emoticon that bows or grovels when you need one???)

 

[White Fox]

Folks, we should be careful here. I don't want to give anyone the wrong ideas about us or our site.

 

I suggest that we be very careful with this thread and indeed keep posts as short as possible. Most anything can be taken out of context and turned against us.

 

Few people here if anyone at all would want to buy or wear dog fur. I think that we should make that very clear.

 

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[FurLoverinFL]

I've owned tanuki and coyote coats and think they're fab. I would not hesitate to own them again.

 

FLinFL

[fur999]

I apologise for my ignorance here, but I may speak for some others aswell, but I don't know what Tanuki fur is?

There is a fine line to be drawn here, and I think it is one that should be trodden carefully. Where does one draw the line between a wild fox and a wild cat, even under different names (bobcat?) and a domesticated/stray/farmed dog and cat?

I think maybe there becomes an issue of being able to prove the source, and therefore authenticity of a product, as Im sue HM Custom may well agree, along the same lines as proving Organic produce in supermarkets.

A worth while discussion, but one which may open us to abuse, I agree 999 xxx

[Guest]

A Tanuki is part of the dog family as indeed the fox and wolf are: it is usually known as Finn Raccoon. Indeed there are those biologists who say it IS a raccoon not a dog. A Tanuki therefore is NOT a feral dog....it has a much smaller brain than a dog for instance.

 

It is like we are primates as indeed monkeys are.

 

An animal that has been farmed for generations for its fur on the one hand is a domesticated animal in the sense that a cow is...it is tame, unafraid of its handlers...even friendly with them. A wild animal cannot be kept on a fur farm; and indeed animals such as the beaver will not even breed in captivity. But it , like the cow, while we must giv it top welfare care and husbandry, has a role. And if it wre not for that role those animals...such as the twenty year old handsmoe stud sables in Siberia, would not exist.

 

The situation with the dog is complletely different. Foxes have been farmed since the Bronze age for furs. Indeed, possibly as long ago as 30 000 years. Please have a look at the time line in the wiki with academic references. The dog on the other hand, has worked for its keep from us for at least 10 000 years, and only when it has been injured has it been used for fur and meat in most cultures; certainly ours. We therefore regard it as a friend, a hunting accomplice (which is how it became domestciated) and do not use it for fur or eat it.

 

In the last fifty years or so, they have become purely pets as urban people do not have the us for them for work; so the use of dog fur will indeed be regarded with contemp by most people. That is not opinion; that is how it is viewed by most people...and the law. Fox fur is one thing; dog is another; in our culture it is not a furbearer.

Edited June 14, 2007 by Guest

[ReFur]

Here is a link that is in the Furrier Forum on wild vs farmed you might find interesting:

 

http://thefurden.com/bbden/viewtopic.php?t=5515

[fur999]

thanks for answering my question, i knew that someone could help!

 

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to compare Furs with Organic produce directly, just the issue of proving the authenticity of a products source, however so claimed

999 xxx

[ReFur]

Here is another link in the Furrier's forum and I have a huge picture of Tanuki for you fur999.

 

http://thefurden.com/bbden/viewtopic.php?t=6404&start=0